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Lufthansa
WKN:823212
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ist wohl so gewollt, sonst hätte man bei solchen Konstrukten längst aufgeräumt...

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Mein Kommentar zur aktuellen Lage bei Lufthansa: "Egal wie Du dich drehst, das Ar...loch bleibt immer hinten"

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muchos saludos
Hugo
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S&P rating weiter gesenkt von BB+ auf BB  .....  weit, weit weg von Investmentgrade!  Nono
  • Lufthansa's shareholders and the European Commission have approved a €9.0 billion state aid package that we believe will significantly boost Lufthansa's liquidity but result in weaker credit metrics than commensurate with the 'BB+' rating, since we regard most of the state aid package as debt.

  • Furthermore, we expect a steeper drop in Lufthansa's EBITDA and a higher cash flow deficit in 2020 because of a likely slower rebound in long-haul passenger traffic, expected sluggish corporate and business travel, and weakened demand for the airline's maintenance, repair, and overhaul (MRO) services.

  • We are therefore lowering our ratings on Lufthansa and its senior unsecured debt to 'BB' from 'BB+' and our ratings on the junior subordinated debt to 'B-' from 'B'. The 'B' short-term issue credit rating is unchanged. We removed the ratings from CreditWatch negative, where we placed them on March 20, 2020.

  • The negative outlook reflects our view that Lufthansa's financial metrics will remain under considerable pressure in the next few quarters amid the extremely difficult trading environment. Furthermore, there is still high uncertainty regarding the COVID-19 pandemic and economic recession, and their adverse impact on air traffic demand and Lufthansa's financial position and liquidity.

FRANKFURT (S&P Global Ratings) July 1, 2020--S&P Global Ratings today took the rating actions listed above. Lufthansa's shareholders and the European Commission approved the €9 billion state aid package under the Federal Economic Stabilization Fund.

The stabilization package is composed of €5.7 billion in silent participation and a €3.0 billion state-guaranteed loan. The package also includes the German government acquiring a 20% stake in Lufthansa's share capital at a share price of €2.56, which is equivalent to a €300 million cash injection. After our review of the relevant legal framework agreement, we now regard the €5.7 billion silent participation as akin to debt, according to our hybrid criteria. This is because we believe that Lufthansa has a material incentive to redeem the silent participation given that the hybrid's documentation includes multiple coupon step-ups up until 2023. Furthermore, based on Lufthansa's public communication, we understand that the airline intends to redeem the hybrid instrument as soon as practicable. Accordingly, we now expect Lufthansa's adjusted debt to rise to as much as €18.0 billion in 2020 compared with €10.8 billion in 2019, which will result in much weaker credit measures than we previously forecast and a highly leveraged financial risk profile versus aggressive previously. In our view, certain benefits of the silent participation differentiates it from traditional debt, which we capture in our credit rating by applying one notch of uplift to the anchor to arrive at Lufthansa's stand-alone credit profile (SACP) of 'bb-'. We note that the silent participation does not have an effective maturity date and includes optionally deferrable coupon features. This provides important flexibility to the airline's capital structure.

We expect a steeper drop in Lufthansa's EBITDA and higher cash flow deficit in 2020 than in our previous base case.  This is because of a likely slower rebound in the airline's long-haul passenger traffic, expected sluggish corporate and business travel, and weakened demand for its MRO services. In light of Lufthansa's plan to increase its capacity in July to only about 40% of its original schedule from just 3% in May, we expect a severely constrained summer season, which is typically the strongest in terms of revenue generation. The uncertainty of timing over lifting entry bans and quarantine requirements for countries outside the EU curbs the recovery in the high-margin long-haul passenger segment, especially for the North American destinations. Additionally, we expect the demand for MRO services, which historically contributed to close to 20% of Lufthansa's EBITDA, to remain sluggish given the airline sector's reduced activity globally. Although Lufthansa is taking steps to mitigate the collapse in air travel demand, we now forecast a significantly negative adjusted EBITDA this year. This, aggravated by working capital requirements, which could be material because of, for example, ticket refunds or sluggish bookings, and partly offset by deferral of capital expenditure (capex) for new planes and maintenance, and suspension of dividends, will result in negative free operation cash flow (FOCF) of €7.5 billion-€8.0 billion in 2020.

Lufthansa's depressed financial metrics for 2020 are less meaningful to our assessment of financial risk.   That said we factor into our analysis expected financial results for 2020, particularly regarding the capital structure, accumulation of debt, and liquidity. Because we believe that the state aid package will substantially enhance the airline's capacity to navigate through this difficult year, we focus mostly on expected 2021 credit ratios. This approach best reflects the airline's cash flow/leverage profile in our analytical judgment, assuming that air travel starts to recover late in 2020.

The projected recovery of credit metrics in 2021 is limited by Lufthansa's high debt and is susceptible to risks.  Although we expect Lufthansa's operating performance to improve in 2021, with adjusted EBITDA rising to €2.5 billion-€3.0 billion, its ratio of funds from operations (FFO) to debt will only recover to be consistent with the higher end of our highly leveraged financial profile category from the negative territory we forecast in 2020, while we expect the airline's FOCF to break even. For these forecasts, we assume passenger traffic will start recovering later this year, and benefits from structural cost-cutting measures and lower jet fuel price will feed through. Nevertheless, low visibility on the evolution of the COVID-19 pandemic and recessionary trends mean our forecasts are subject to significant risks.

We consider Lufthansa a government-related entity.  We see a moderate likelihood that Lufthansa would receive extraordinary support from the German government under a stress scenario, beyond the recently approved stabilization package. This translates into one notch of uplift from the airline's SACP of 'bb-'. We base our view on our assessment of Lufthansa's important role for, and limited link with, the German government.

(Quelle: S&P Internetseite)
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Krise schlimmer als gedacht - Lufthansa streicht weitere 500 Pilotenstellen

Wegen der Corona-Krise will die Lufthansa ihre Flotte verkleinern und 600 Pilotenstellen abbauen. Doch schnell stellt sich heraus, dass die Maßnahmen nicht ausreichen. Die Konzernführung greift deshalb erneut zum Rotstift.

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https://www.n-tv.de/wirtschaft/Lufthansa...60580.html

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Lufthansa-Aktien unter Corona-Verlierern die Schwächsten - Tiefstand seit 2003

Die Lufthansa-Aktie sanken an Freitag im XETRA-Handel auf einen neuen Tiefststand seit dem Jahr 2003. Im Tagestief ging es bis auf 6,85 Euro runter - letztlich verloren sie noch 3,27 Prozent auf 7,05 Euro.

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https://www.finanzen.net/nachricht/aktie...03-9331953

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LHA & mit LHA Fliegen

....wer Vorsicht walten lässt und Fliegen muss;

(ref: #173 v. Thor--> 'BB+' rating, since we regard most of the state aid package as debt.)

bucht LHA über Reisebüros und dadurch mit Absicherung.
Dies ist auch ein Beitrag für die Reisebranche.
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Inwieweit stellt eine Flugbuchung über Reisebüro (online? stationär?) gegenüber einer Direktbuchung bei der Fluggesellschaft eine Absicherung dar?

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Gedacht wohl ähnlich wie eine Police beim Versicherer nicht direkt zu kaufen sondern über Makler, Zwischenhaftung.

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Habe den Post nicht ganz verstanden aber wenn man sich absichern will sollte man pauschal-Leistungen buchen, das heißt Flug und mindestens noch eine Leistung dazu (Hotel, Mietwagen o.ä.). Damit hat Man automatisch eine Ausfall Versicherung und der Veranstalter ist verpflichtet, für Ersatz zu sorgen.

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"Die Wahrheit ist wie Poesie. Und die meisten Leute hassen Poesie." (The Big Short)

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Richtig - die Sicherungsscheine werden bei Pauschalreisen, wozu auch Pakete wie z.B. Flug+Hotel gehören, von Veranstaltern ausgestellt und nicht vom Reisebüro.

Im Post #176 ging es um Flugbuchungen statt bei LH im Reisebüro zur Absicherung. Das ist grober Unsinn. Im Gegenteil, Reisebüros haben durch stornierte Flüge viel Arbeit und Ärger. Gerade LH war eine der ersten Fluggesellschaften, die den Reisebüros die Möglichkeit der direkten Stornierung und Erstattung im GDS genommen hat. Viele Kunden die Flüge über Reisebüros statt direkt gebucht haben warten ewig auf ihre Erstattung und werden zwischen Reisebüro und Fluggesellschaft hin- und hergereicht.

Gut verdienen hier momentan nur die Anwälte für Fluggastrechte.


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